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See also Allen Park, Hazel Park, Oak Park, Wayne -- a little more pricey, but still generally move in for under $150k in neighbs at least as walkable / bikeable as 75% of A2.

Yes, A2's job concentration means it has a much higher share of non-driving commutes (and 70% of commutes are < 10 miles so could be non-driving), but that's not reason to dismiss other places as lost causes for sustainable urbanism.

@murphmonkey I lived in Berkeley just north of Oak Park before moving to A2. Spent a lot of time in Hazel Park too.

It was a nice place to live but not nearly as bike friendly. Each city is bordered by heavily trafficked multi-lane mile roads and north/south corridors. Crosswalks were few and far between.

Easy to bike within the neighborhood but hard to get to many destinations. Bike Lanes were almost non-existent.

@murphmonkey I'll put a plug in for Allen Park's walkability and bike-friendliness. I grew up there, and before I got my driver's license walked or biked everywhere. With the exception of a few roads like Southfield, Allen, etc, most streets are 25mph and wide enough to accommodate bikes and cars.

With rare exceptions, every street has a sidewalk on both sides.

However, it is a "bedroom" community, so its downtown is small, and most jobs are elsewhere meaning people drive to them.

@murphmonkey I never rode a school bus either. All the schools were within walking distance, although the kids who lived on the other side of Southfield from the junior high and high schools were bussed, as Southfield is wide, fast, and carries a lot of traffic.

@murphmonkey that's fair enough, but Lincoln Park and these others were always bedroom commuter communities from inception. I am, however, genuinely surprised at the walk/bike scores--having visited many of these suburbs for work reasons in the past I never encountered any place that looked like people would want to walk or bike, as the road situation was quite unpleasant. Perhaps it's gotten better!

(Not comparing to A2, which is far less dense and more car-oriented than it pretends to be.)

@murphmonkey and I am genuine about the "we could/should build these places into cities" comment--I am legitimately surprised this isn't being pushed more by state and local leadership.

@hypomodern The main roads are for-sure pretty hostile, though those mid-century suburbs overall have pretty complete street grids -- lots of quiet low-traffic routes in parallel to the major arterials, so unpleasantness concentrated in a few crossings, rather than requiring travel along.

The south Oakland County suburbs are doing a lot of coordinated bike network development and road diets on their major roads these days, too; downriver not quite as much yet.

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